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the first 2008 presidential debate between the president and john mccain got seven times the audience of the highest rated 2012 republican primary debate. think about that. seven times. past debates show romney and obama have to worry about cut away shots that are less than flattering. in the past both candidates have come across as irritable, patronizing or disengaged. this was chris christie's advice to the candidates yesterday. >> what you do is go out and be yourself. and people either like it or don't. if they don't, they are going to vote for somebody else. not a tragedy. no one dies. >> finally speaking of debates, there was a barn burner last night in massachusetts where scott brown and democratic challenger elizabeth warren faced off in a debate. moderated by nbc's david gregory. it was tense from the outset. >> if you're going to comment on my record, i would at least have you refer to it -- excuse me. i'm not a student in your classroom. please let me respond, okay? >> that was an echo of a quip brown used in 2010 when he told martha kwaurkly i'm not in your courtroom, i'm
the first 2008 presidential debate between the president and john mccain got seven times the audience of the highest rated 2012 republican primary debate. think about that. seven times. past debates show romney and obama have to worry about cut away shots that are less than flattering. in the past both candidates have come across as irritable, patronizing or disengaged. this was chris christie's advice to the candidates yesterday. >> what you do is go out and be yourself. and people...
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you could imagine john mccain in 2008 saying, wait a second, that 47% is made up of veterans who have paid their debt to society with blood literally. it's made up of mostly working people, most of that 47% are working americans, working middle class, working poor. >> hard working who earn less than $30,000 a year. >> or even $40,000 or $50,000 and many of those -- many of that 47% is made up of seniors. you know, this network is going to have a new poll later today that's going to show the race tightening and the national numbers but not in the battleground states i think. one of the big reasons for that, one of the big underreported reasons for that is how the romney/ryan ticket has offended seniors. we've talked about how this ticket offended women, african-americans, hispanics. the big story is how they have offended seniors and how seniors have gone from the romney/ryan camp into the obama camp largely i think because of the ryan plan on medicare, and so that -- the 47% was poorly answered by ryan, but an equal weight around this campaign's neck is that medicare plan which is tur
you could imagine john mccain in 2008 saying, wait a second, that 47% is made up of veterans who have paid their debt to society with blood literally. it's made up of mostly working people, most of that 47% are working americans, working middle class, working poor. >> hard working who earn less than $30,000 a year. >> or even $40,000 or $50,000 and many of those -- many of that 47% is made up of seniors. you know, this network is going to have a new poll later today that's going to...
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that admission led to many questions what took the administration so long with john mccain and lindsay graham issuing this statement. we recognize that al-qaeda involvement in the terrorist
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if we start with the president, he's been able to elevate himself in the debates with senator john mccain and appear presidential. i want to remind how he did so. moments like this. >> in a short career, he does not understand our national security challenges. we don't have time for on-the job training, my friend. >> senator mccain in the last debate and today again suggested i don't understand. it's true. there are some things i don't understand. i don't understand how we ended up invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 while osama bin laden and al qaeda are setting up base camps and safe havens to train terrorists to attack us. that was senator mccain's judgment. >> the president also has this tenacity or tendency to ramble. in one democratic debate he appeared to be sleeping. the biggest pitfalls you would recommend that the president needs to avoid? >> i think actually, the rest of us may be sleeping when we watch this debate tomorrow night. however, i think the thing obama will have to work on, in his debate preps, they've been force-feeding him that old clip of hillary,
if we start with the president, he's been able to elevate himself in the debates with senator john mccain and appear presidential. i want to remind how he did so. moments like this. >> in a short career, he does not understand our national security challenges. we don't have time for on-the job training, my friend. >> senator mccain in the last debate and today again suggested i don't understand. it's true. there are some things i don't understand. i don't understand how we ended up...
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that admission led to many questions what took the administration so long with john mccain and lindsay graham issuing this statement. we recognize that al-qaeda involvement in the terrorist attack that killed four americans is an inconvenient truth for a president that claims to be destroying al-qaeda. but it's not too much to ask why the administration has taken so long to state what appeared obvious on what really happened on september 11th, 2012. we're a back with our panel. so given all that we've learned in the last couple of weeks. how big a security failure was that attack on the consulate? >> it was far bigger than this administration is willing to admit. we knew the security situation in benghazi was getting out of control. there were attack on the british consulate which was closed and there with a attacks on convoy and attacks on the u.s. consulate, too. there were reports out of benghazi. u.s. issued a statement in august warning americans not to travel there, telling them there is probably bombings and a assassinations. >> paul: we also know that they called for the reveng
that admission led to many questions what took the administration so long with john mccain and lindsay graham issuing this statement. we recognize that al-qaeda involvement in the terrorist attack that killed four americans is an inconvenient truth for a president that claims to be destroying al-qaeda. but it's not too much to ask why the administration has taken so long to state what appeared obvious on what really happened on september 11th, 2012. we're a back with our panel. so given all...
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mccain. how women politically age there was a gap between that generation and a new group coming up. also and nikki haley. she has managed south carolina barry well. the advantage of ethnicity bringing diversity to the republican party one could argue it needs diversity. >> we all looked at one another when bill asked the question. the pipeline is a little thin. susanna marty thence the governor of the mexico that we tend to reelect more governors and members of congress i think that is the pipeline very articulate -- particulate but give her six years and has potential. and elizabeth warren sheet is is elected there are a couple. we just need to get more women elected. research that has been done that says to make any kind of difference you need 25%. part of the culture comes as competition more women have the opportunity. because the women we profile in the book who were still in congress are not running again. the women are giving up hour don't see themselves to compromise. >> for various
mccain. how women politically age there was a gap between that generation and a new group coming up. also and nikki haley. she has managed south carolina barry well. the advantage of ethnicity bringing diversity to the republican party one could argue it needs diversity. >> we all looked at one another when bill asked the question. the pipeline is a little thin. susanna marty thence the governor of the mexico that we tend to reelect more governors and members of congress i think that is...
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what are the lessons from john mccain having not gone there in 2008 when he had the chance? the senior strategist from 2008 joins us next. >>> you're about to see it for the first time. >>> you're about to see it for the first time. it contains some of the most devisive class warfare rhetoric ever used by barack obama. that's what journalists have been trying to hide for years. it's a glimpse into the mind of the real barack obama and it's one that all americans need to pay close attention to. >> that was fox news tonight. "huffington post" released tape of echoing the remarks about 47% of the country not taking responsible for their lives. paul ryan's remarks were that it was 30% of the country. they do not believe in the american dream and just believe. tucker carlson played at the time it came out, but they are newly excited about in part, as best i can tell, because president obama gives a shout out to his chicago pastor at the time jeremiah wright. do either require as a first debate eve giant up-end the campaign surprise? joining us is steve smith. he's now an msnbc co
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that was the counter to john mccain. and they haven't done that. and i -- it's going to be difficult for them to do that in the next couple weeks. and going into that last debate where they're going to be talking about this stuff, this is going be an issue, they're going to need to frame that up before they get there or it's going to be difficult for them to have much of a debate among, no, i'm better, i'm worse. >> i feel like we're in an unsustainable spot. these issues are being forced into discussion even if they can't be forced into the politics. i feel like reckoning is coming on this in political terms. john stanton, "buzz feed's" d.c. bureau chief. you do great work. >> pleasure to be here. >>> all right. are you a college student? do you know any college students? do you have any sense of how college students will vote this year if they vote? a bunch of political vigilantes who know how college students are likely to vote this year have figured out how to stop students from doing it. it is a very simple strategy and it is very stupid, and
that was the counter to john mccain. and they haven't done that. and i -- it's going to be difficult for them to do that in the next couple weeks. and going into that last debate where they're going to be talking about this stuff, this is going be an issue, they're going to need to frame that up before they get there or it's going to be difficult for them to have much of a debate among, no, i'm better, i'm worse. >> i feel like we're in an unsustainable spot. these issues are being forced...
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we agree air the debates across the country, john mccain has pleaded -- has tweeted. let's hear from matt from houston. >> imf republican, but i find myself for the middle of the road. -- i am a republican, but i am free middle of the road. we will have distinct differences on what we think about certain things. but one thing that i pulled away in favor of mitt romney was that he has a clear record of being able to work well and get things done in a very partisan environment in the state of massachusetts. if you look at president obama's record, he has a record of not being able to work well in a partisan environment. we will have to work together to get things done and my vote will go to mitt romney because he has a record of being able to do something just like that. >> thank you so much. in addition to posting your comments and we already have a lot of them on the debate, more than 1200 comments have come in on tonight's first debate, we also now have it all up there, which is a simple "who won?" let's take a look at how things stand right now. my technology is not
we agree air the debates across the country, john mccain has pleaded -- has tweeted. let's hear from matt from houston. >> imf republican, but i find myself for the middle of the road. -- i am a republican, but i am free middle of the road. we will have distinct differences on what we think about certain things. but one thing that i pulled away in favor of mitt romney was that he has a clear record of being able to work well and get things done in a very partisan environment in the state...
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what are the lessons from john mccain having not gone there in 2008 when he had the chance? the senior strategist from 2008 joins us next. overmany discounts to thine customers! [old english accent] safe driver, multi-car, paid in full -- a most fulsome bounty indeed, lord jamie. thou cometh and we thy saveth! what are you doing? we doth offer so many discounts, we have some to spare. oh, you have any of those homeowners discounts? here we go. thank you. he took my shield, my lady. these are troubling times in the kingdom. more discounts than we knoweth what to do with. now that's progressive. >>> you're about to see it for the first time. it contains some of the most divisive class warfare rhetoric ever used by barack obama. that's what journalists have been trying to hide for years. it's a glimpse into the mind of the real barack obama and it's one that all americans need to pay close attention to. >> that was fox news tonight. "huffington post" released tape of echoing the remarks about 47% of the country not taking responsible for their lives. paul ryan's remarks were th
what are the lessons from john mccain having not gone there in 2008 when he had the chance? the senior strategist from 2008 joins us next. overmany discounts to thine customers! [old english accent] safe driver, multi-car, paid in full -- a most fulsome bounty indeed, lord jamie. thou cometh and we thy saveth! what are you doing? we doth offer so many discounts, we have some to spare. oh, you have any of those homeowners discounts? here we go. thank you. he took my shield, my lady. these are...
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congressman alan west, senator john mccain both on cnbc. here we go. >> i know. >> you are alleging specifically that the president is engaging in a cover-up of the data. you are saying that the administration is actively manipulating that data. correct? >> well, absolutely. >> frankly, i am not enough of an economist to question exactly what those numbers are. our discussion about the warren act that just took place where there are blatant violations of the law, i wouldn't put anything past this administration. >> you know, these are sitting members of congress. >> yeah. >> alan west won, of course. we know his party. he's very conservative nap said, john mccain. are you surprised by his comments? >> i'm very surprised by his comment. all of those comments, they're not just deeply irresponsible, but without a shred of evidence they are casting doubt about a very important number in our economy. now, if you understand the way the bureau of labor statistics collects data, and i used to work for the department of labor, and i used to work for
congressman alan west, senator john mccain both on cnbc. here we go. >> i know. >> you are alleging specifically that the president is engaging in a cover-up of the data. you are saying that the administration is actively manipulating that data. correct? >> well, absolutely. >> frankly, i am not enough of an economist to question exactly what those numbers are. our discussion about the warren act that just took place where there are blatant violations of the law, i...
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the president had the one on one with john mccain in his last debates. is there any similarity before we talk about the differences, there any similarity in their style that you've noted? >> well, i think both of them in the past have benefited by the very fact that the people they were debating with often seen themselves to be a little overroute, to seem to be caught up in things and not quite under control. and i think the test tonight is, that both of them will face somebody that's usually pretty controlled in the way they come at things. the last time that president obama was in debates like this, it was his confidence, his -- in a sense quiet reserve in some ways in contrast to an excitability that we saw in mccain. other than the absence of emotion can be very devastating as it with you to dukakis in the debate against bush. part is how the real character comes through in terms of suggesting their ability to be presidential. >> and what do you -- >> shown to be. >> what do you see as the major difference in the two men that could be that revealing
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mccain as president like looking at that chart is that a coincidence i'm going to drop a lot of this stuff time that you stimulate you have to destroy a job you have to take a job by the private sector and you create a government that absolutely has. it was you seen in there that was do you decide you're going to build if you decide you're going to build a lodge you somebody you're not taking out of that is because you guys are taking it out of i work or if i'm going to if i have to pay more in taxes i'm on a higher less workers if i'm a private sector sometimes you heard a teacher you were wal-mart worker. maybe. let's move along to romney's tax plans just as we suspected the romney campaign is employing the sketch strategy here was romney surrogate congressman phil gingrey explaining how romney is now changing his positions from the republican primary to look like a moderate in the general election appeal to moderate voters. the republican the conservative candidate in the primary is always going to lean right and come back to the center for the general the opposite of the democrat
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tell your friends 52.8 million people watched the first debate between senator john mccain and then senator obama four years ago. 80% of the country's adults reported watching at least some of the presidential debates in 2008. >>> enough of the real news, let's huddle up around the water cooler to get you ready for the rumble in the rockies. aides to president obama said he's focusing on looking calm. romney's team says it is loading up the candidate with zingers, one-liners aim the at the president. the campaign told "the new york times" last week, quote, mr. romney's team has concluded that debates are about creating moments and has equipped him with a series of zingers that he's memorized and has been practicing on aides since august. the zinger strategy apparently includes luring president obama into appearing smug or evasive in his responses, especially on questions of the economy. this is where jimmy fallon comes in. >> tomorrow is the first of three debates between myself and president obama. i'm looking forward to having a serious conversation with my opponent about the issues. i've
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he also did it in john mccain's 2008 campaign. ahead of next week's debates, both sides have been lowering expectations. >> the president is, obviously, a very eloquent, gifted speaker. he'll do just fine. >> mitt romney has an advantage because he's been through 20 debates in the primaries oefrt the last year. >> barack obama is a very effective debater. >> we know governor romney is practicing for months. i think the invasion of normandy took less preparation than he's putting into the debates. >> i'm joined by the president of progress and former obama white house adviser and also with us is robert trainum. nera, you helped with hillary clinton's debate preps and you worked robert with with rick santorum and president bush. let's get to the heart of it, robert. both sides lowering expectations, but realistically how important is this debate for romney "nightly newmitt romney? >> it's very important. this is his second time to make an impression. the first time was during the republican convention. the second time is in a situat
he also did it in john mccain's 2008 campaign. ahead of next week's debates, both sides have been lowering expectations. >> the president is, obviously, a very eloquent, gifted speaker. he'll do just fine. >> mitt romney has an advantage because he's been through 20 debates in the primaries oefrt the last year. >> barack obama is a very effective debater. >> we know governor romney is practicing for months. i think the invasion of normandy took less preparation than he's...
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you know, this was a point in 2008 when something similar happened with john mccain. he couldn't recall in an interview how many houses or properties he owned. that became a sort of explaining narrative for all sorts of reasons why, and this may sound familiar, why he seemed out of touch. this 47% video resonated to a greater degree than john mccain not remembering how many homes he owned. so, if you have failed at this point to explain who you are, if you have another version of that story out there, you cannot undo it in one debate. you can try and engage with people directly to camera, but mitt romney is also going to want to land some punches. that's going to take time away from his job, number one, which should be telling people, for once, who he really is. >> i think that may be intentional. john, this is how romney's running mate paul ryan addressed the 47% comment captured in that secret video yesterday. take a listen. >> is there any way possible that this 47% can pay a nominal fee or something so they feel that they have small ownership in the government and
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the "new york times" wrote it saying, quote, do exactly what john mccain would not let us do in 2008. the plans suggested hiring an extremely literate african-american to sell the message and label the president a metrosexual black abe lincoln. >> yeah. listen, i'm not sure exactly -- >> that's a halloween costume. >> i don't know what they mean by the last comment. but george will who i normally respect, this president has enjoyed the numbers that he is now and despite the rags initialized attacks. the reason this deck was disapproved by romney is because they don't need it. they've had the welfare ads and this strategy has been in place in other ways and it was exposed early enough so folks could see the inner workings behind back room door strategy sessions. >> well, it's playing into that stereotype. angry black man. i know some blacks that are angry that he's not more angry. >> how about that and happy birthday, rev. >> thank you. james peterson, ana marie cox, thank you for your time tonight. >> yep. and happy birthday. >> thank you. >>> still ahead, it all comes down to this. 1
the "new york times" wrote it saying, quote, do exactly what john mccain would not let us do in 2008. the plans suggested hiring an extremely literate african-american to sell the message and label the president a metrosexual black abe lincoln. >> yeah. listen, i'm not sure exactly -- >> that's a halloween costume. >> i don't know what they mean by the last comment. but george will who i normally respect, this president has enjoyed the numbers that he is now and...
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president obama's last debate was against senator john mccain in the fall of 2008. while governor romney has had nearly two dozen debates during that gop primary. the obama campaign says the president's strategy is focused on shorter, crisper answers. the romney strategy, as reported in "the new york times" has the governor memorizing a series of zingers to try to hit the president with. let's bring in our "news nation" political panel for this monday. democratic strategist chris, national radio host michael, and also an msnbc contributor, and villa skype as you can tell from our shot there, steve, conservative radio show host. you have the visual disadvantage because you're skype. i'll let you start off first here. let me play what paul ryan, completely opposite of what chris christie said this sunday. his assessment of the debates. let's play ryan, please. >> i don't think one event is going to make or break this campaign. look, president obama's a very -- he's a very gifted speaker. this is mitt's first time on this kind of a stage. >> it's no secret, steve, you
president obama's last debate was against senator john mccain in the fall of 2008. while governor romney has had nearly two dozen debates during that gop primary. the obama campaign says the president's strategy is focused on shorter, crisper answers. the romney strategy, as reported in "the new york times" has the governor memorizing a series of zingers to try to hit the president with. let's bring in our "news nation" political panel for this monday. democratic strategist...
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in 2008 john mccain got outspent by $250 million. in 2004, george w. bush got outspent by $100 million. so the unions and the super pacs on the left and george soros funded super pacs, you're going to have plenty of money. i'm not worried about that. what i'm very excited about is having the resources to respond to your attacks. >> this is actually an important point. dan eagan has an important piece that folks should take a look at. between charlie and all the other groups out there, they've had a lot of money. whether that money has been strategically spent is the question. we've focused a laser on the middle class. there's a week in august where restore had an ad up about jobs, crossroads had an ad up about the debt. >> those are three republican-oriented super pacs. >> romney was advertising on welfare reform. if you're a voter in toledo, you're saying what is the story they're trying to tell about president obama? i get that they don't like him but what is the strategy here? on the republican side, a reason that the money has slowed down a little
in 2008 john mccain got outspent by $250 million. in 2004, george w. bush got outspent by $100 million. so the unions and the super pacs on the left and george soros funded super pacs, you're going to have plenty of money. i'm not worried about that. what i'm very excited about is having the resources to respond to your attacks. >> this is actually an important point. dan eagan has an important piece that folks should take a look at. between charlie and all the other groups out there,...
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senator john mccain, have a great day. thanks forgetterring up so early for us. >> great to be with you. remember teddy won, teddy won. >> brian: we're about to show this. it's very emotional. >> he defeated the vast left wing conspiracy of commy pinko beltway liberals. >> brian: you will see this as senator mccain brings up the cold war again. ted kennedy -- excuse me. teddy roosevelt do something he hasn't done in over 500 chances. >> gretchen: let's get in a couple quick headlines. new develops, turkey firing artillery rounds into syria fort second straight day. this comes one day after a shell fired from inside syria landed on a home in turkey, killing a mother, her three daughters and another woman. syria later offered its condolences, but it's unclear where this is all going, folks. >>> outbreak of a rare and deadly form of meningitis across five states leaving at least four people dead so far. as many as 26 others are sick and that number could grow. it's believed a steroid injected for back pain started this outbre
senator john mccain, have a great day. thanks forgetterring up so early for us. >> great to be with you. remember teddy won, teddy won. >> brian: we're about to show this. it's very emotional. >> he defeated the vast left wing conspiracy of commy pinko beltway liberals. >> brian: you will see this as senator mccain brings up the cold war again. ted kennedy -- excuse me. teddy roosevelt do something he hasn't done in over 500 chances. >> gretchen: let's get in a...
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he wasn't the president in 2008 when he did the same exact thing to john mccain. he tries to take control. >> bill: he has aggressive body language when it comes to physical confrontation. >> i would say dominant body language. >> bill: we will use two sound bites the first one mitt romney saying what he would cut. gompleghts is the program so critical it's worth borrowing money from china to pay for it? if not, i will get rid of it. obama care son my list, i apologize, mr. president. i use that term with all respect. >> i like it. >> okay, good. so i will get rid of that i'm sorry, jim, i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs. i'm going to stop other things to pbs i like big bird and i like you too. i'm not going to stop borrowing money from china to pay for it. >> i thought lehrer was big bird. first let's go with the president looking down while romney is speaking. >> i'm comparing this to 2008. this wasn't a good thing. typically when he looks down he is trying show his disagreement. i don't agree what you are saying. tight jaw, clinched lip. there is also a leve
he wasn't the president in 2008 when he did the same exact thing to john mccain. he tries to take control. >> bill: he has aggressive body language when it comes to physical confrontation. >> i would say dominant body language. >> bill: we will use two sound bites the first one mitt romney saying what he would cut. gompleghts is the program so critical it's worth borrowing money from china to pay for it? if not, i will get rid of it. obama care son my list, i apologize, mr....
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in 2008 we were at war, and barack obama and john mccain fought it out every day in that war. this week when the financial crisis was absolutely on fire, at that debate, they were talking about the wars. this year, president obama does bring it up, he does bring it up at most of his stump speeches, how he explains what he has done and planning on doing talking about the two wars. he doesn't have to say much more because he's speaking to an empty room. the romney campaign has no identifiable position on afghanistan. they have been unwilling and unable to hold up that side of debate and so regardless of what it means for the candidates as a country we are deprived of a national discussion about a war we are in. 70,000 american families having skin in the game right now. we have -- that's part of the reason i'm looking forward to the debates. some ways sort of a post-policy campaign. and you can't do that in a debate, at least unless the debate is really bad. >> this is -- this is billed as a domestic policy debate, but -- and there are so many ways this is also domestic policy,
in 2008 we were at war, and barack obama and john mccain fought it out every day in that war. this week when the financial crisis was absolutely on fire, at that debate, they were talking about the wars. this year, president obama does bring it up, he does bring it up at most of his stump speeches, how he explains what he has done and planning on doing talking about the two wars. he doesn't have to say much more because he's speaking to an empty room. the romney campaign has no identifiable...